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	<title>Comments on: Baylor, Baptists &amp; Berkeley: An Example of Liberal Intolerance</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2010/06/baylor-baptists-berkeley-an-example-of-liberal-intolerance.html#comment-54376</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Profane cheap shots against Texas Aggies hardly warranted. Apologize!

Proud Aggie, Class of &#039;80</description>
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<p>Proud Aggie, Class of &#8217;80</p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think there&#039;s any chance Baylor would be able to lobby for a bid to join the SEC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think there&#8217;s any chance Baylor would be able to lobby for a bid to join the SEC?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2010/06/baylor-baptists-berkeley-an-example-of-liberal-intolerance.html#comment-54158</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s so much information coming from so many different sources about all of this, not sure the UT grapevine is the most accurate source of information.  The rationale behind the Pac-10 expansion is a counter to the television deal that the SEC recently negotiated, worth over a billion dollars.  Money is the bottom line, and television market drawing power is the sales pitch.  The Pac-10 is a conference that splits all television revenue, and bowl game bucks, evenly with all schools and expansion must be approved unanimously.  They are looking for schools with lots of alumni and lots of pull in big television markets to compete with the package that the SEC put together, and neither Baylor nor Waco can compete with the other three Texas schools in the mix.  The Aggies have been talking about holding out for a deal with the SEC, but that&#039;s just talk, since the SEC is apparently not interested.  

UC Bezerkely may be putting their objection up to Baylor&#039;s religious background to cover up their hypocrisy over the financial greed involved in this kind of deal, but the bottom line here is money and the evidence of its power and pull is the fact that the political influence put together to include Baylor as part of the package was like a straw fence against a wildfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s so much information coming from so many different sources about all of this, not sure the UT grapevine is the most accurate source of information.  The rationale behind the Pac-10 expansion is a counter to the television deal that the SEC recently negotiated, worth over a billion dollars.  Money is the bottom line, and television market drawing power is the sales pitch.  The Pac-10 is a conference that splits all television revenue, and bowl game bucks, evenly with all schools and expansion must be approved unanimously.  They are looking for schools with lots of alumni and lots of pull in big television markets to compete with the package that the SEC put together, and neither Baylor nor Waco can compete with the other three Texas schools in the mix.  The Aggies have been talking about holding out for a deal with the SEC, but that&#8217;s just talk, since the SEC is apparently not interested.  </p>
<p>UC Bezerkely may be putting their objection up to Baylor&#8217;s religious background to cover up their hypocrisy over the financial greed involved in this kind of deal, but the bottom line here is money and the evidence of its power and pull is the fact that the political influence put together to include Baylor as part of the package was like a straw fence against a wildfire.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Dahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BDW, 

I read your post to my wife (BU Alumn), and she loved it. 

Tim</description>
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<p>I read your post to my wife (BU Alumn), and she loved it. </p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: r. grannemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>r. grannemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read somewhere (in the last six months, think it was a local newpaper article about Texas Christian University) that half the alumni who contributed money were interested in the athletic program and the other half in academic program. The athletic programs themselves may not generate money, but it is the avenue to the checkbook of half the alumni.

Personally, I think Baylor might be a better school if it dropped their sports program and focused on being a Christian, academic institution. But politically that won&#039;t fly with the alumni.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere (in the last six months, think it was a local newpaper article about Texas Christian University) that half the alumni who contributed money were interested in the athletic program and the other half in academic program. The athletic programs themselves may not generate money, but it is the avenue to the checkbook of half the alumni.</p>
<p>Personally, I think Baylor might be a better school if it dropped their sports program and focused on being a Christian, academic institution. But politically that won&#8217;t fly with the alumni.</p>
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		<title>By: bapticus hereticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>bapticus hereticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, Aaron, I do not know that much about Baylor, but that is not really my point. The point is that many schools seek or desire higher levels of NCCA competition hoping and thinking that such will bring improvements in many institutional areas, but research does not support that what is sought is significantly impacted by such. There are a few studies supporting the notion, but it is overwhelmed by numerous studies, over a long period of time, that make the case that much of what is believed about NCAA programming is not supportable. Only a few NCAA athletic programs actually make money for a school. Goodness, Duke lost a couple million dollars this year with its men’s basketball team. Which academic program is going to feel this pinch? Having said that, I support NCAA programming, but my research and involvement in said programming over my career, have opened my eyes to the realities and unrealities surrounding it.

The game that is played is interesting. One will read of sports bringing in ‘x’ dollars for this and that which is not sport, but the sport program itself will be in the red and will require funds, nonetheless, to keep it afloat. Yes, the money can be said to come from the gate, but it went ‘here’ instead of funding the opening of the gate! Baylor basketball, a good draw, in the last accounting reported this year, had revenues of $4,595,742. It also had expenses of $4,595,742. It is doubtful other Baylor sports, except perhaps football, will have the potential for creating revenue for the school. Let’s have NCAA sports, but let’s also be realistic about their impacts. Considering the costing of athletics: ugh, well, it is problematic. At best costs are underestimated. And that helps propel the myths which surround it. 

Instead of being concerned about where Baylor plays football, I would be concerned about the 6-year graduation rate of Baylor athletes that was reported in 2009. The NCAA graduation rate was 56% compared with about a 71% graduation rate for non-athletes. And keep in mind, the NCAA graduation rate allows adjustments to the denominator (i.e., transfers), that the federal rate (i.e., IPEDS) does not allow; that is, the NCAA grad rate tends to be a bit more generous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, Aaron, I do not know that much about Baylor, but that is not really my point. The point is that many schools seek or desire higher levels of NCCA competition hoping and thinking that such will bring improvements in many institutional areas, but research does not support that what is sought is significantly impacted by such. There are a few studies supporting the notion, but it is overwhelmed by numerous studies, over a long period of time, that make the case that much of what is believed about NCAA programming is not supportable. Only a few NCAA athletic programs actually make money for a school. Goodness, Duke lost a couple million dollars this year with its men’s basketball team. Which academic program is going to feel this pinch? Having said that, I support NCAA programming, but my research and involvement in said programming over my career, have opened my eyes to the realities and unrealities surrounding it.</p>
<p>The game that is played is interesting. One will read of sports bringing in ‘x’ dollars for this and that which is not sport, but the sport program itself will be in the red and will require funds, nonetheless, to keep it afloat. Yes, the money can be said to come from the gate, but it went ‘here’ instead of funding the opening of the gate! Baylor basketball, a good draw, in the last accounting reported this year, had revenues of $4,595,742. It also had expenses of $4,595,742. It is doubtful other Baylor sports, except perhaps football, will have the potential for creating revenue for the school. Let’s have NCAA sports, but let’s also be realistic about their impacts. Considering the costing of athletics: ugh, well, it is problematic. At best costs are underestimated. And that helps propel the myths which surround it. </p>
<p>Instead of being concerned about where Baylor plays football, I would be concerned about the 6-year graduation rate of Baylor athletes that was reported in 2009. The NCAA graduation rate was 56% compared with about a 71% graduation rate for non-athletes. And keep in mind, the NCAA graduation rate allows adjustments to the denominator (i.e., transfers), that the federal rate (i.e., IPEDS) does not allow; that is, the NCAA grad rate tends to be a bit more generous.</p>
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		<title>By: big daddy weave</title>
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		<dc:creator>big daddy weave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that&#039;s true for some schools.  Although, I&#039;m sure that research is not specific to Baylor University.  

I don&#039;t know any person here, who is familiar with the workings of Baylor University, that would agree with your statement.  The athletic programs do help and have helped since the mid-90s.  In light of the public response in this area, it is clear that most recognize that getting bumped out of the Big 12 is about much more than just athletics.

http://tinyurl.com/perrymanbig12</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s true for some schools.  Although, I&#8217;m sure that research is not specific to Baylor University.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know any person here, who is familiar with the workings of Baylor University, that would agree with your statement.  The athletic programs do help and have helped since the mid-90s.  In light of the public response in this area, it is clear that most recognize that getting bumped out of the Big 12 is about much more than just athletics.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/perrymanbig12" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/perrymanbig12</a></p>
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		<title>By: bapticus hereticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>bapticus hereticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BDW: The athletic programs help ....

bapticus hereticus: Research, however, by and large, does not support these assertions. There is a mythology surrounding NCAA D1 that is difficult to puncture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BDW: The athletic programs help &#8230;.</p>
<p>bapticus hereticus: Research, however, by and large, does not support these assertions. There is a mythology surrounding NCAA D1 that is difficult to puncture.</p>
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		<title>By: BDW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BDW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Focus on academics&quot; is a nice sentiment.  But it&#039;s not that simple.

Baylor is a private, tuition-driven school that does not have a massive endowment like elite private institutions.  Baylor Big 12 athletics bring in millions to the university and the community.  The athletic programs help attract students and donors which in turn allows Baylor to devote more money to research, better technology, new facilities, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Focus on academics&#8221; is a nice sentiment.  But it&#8217;s not that simple.</p>
<p>Baylor is a private, tuition-driven school that does not have a massive endowment like elite private institutions.  Baylor Big 12 athletics bring in millions to the university and the community.  The athletic programs help attract students and donors which in turn allows Baylor to devote more money to research, better technology, new facilities, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: bapticus hereticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>bapticus hereticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likely less due to intolerance than lack of awareness, or ignorance if you will, not that the two cannot be related. Given two entities, Texas and baptist, a good many people in this country think “good grief.” Moreover, given some behaviors that have come out of each in the past several years, such is not entirely unjustified. They will not let Baylor play with them? So what; it is not a baptist issue of much importance. Focus, instead, on academics; I would rather Baylor folks save their getting up-in-arms about those issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likely less due to intolerance than lack of awareness, or ignorance if you will, not that the two cannot be related. Given two entities, Texas and baptist, a good many people in this country think “good grief.” Moreover, given some behaviors that have come out of each in the past several years, such is not entirely unjustified. They will not let Baylor play with them? So what; it is not a baptist issue of much importance. Focus, instead, on academics; I would rather Baylor folks save their getting up-in-arms about those issues.</p>
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