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	<title>Comments on: Paige Patterson &amp; the Great Commission Resurgence</title>
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		<title>By: Concerned SWBTS Alum</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-34163</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned SWBTS Alum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a reason why Patterson and those who are deans did not sign and when he did sign, he did so with &quot;caveats&quot;.  Thank you for reporting on this.  While I may not agree with some of your conclusions, I do appreciate your work at bringing this to light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a reason why Patterson and those who are deans did not sign and when he did sign, he did so with &#8220;caveats&#8221;.  Thank you for reporting on this.  While I may not agree with some of your conclusions, I do appreciate your work at bringing this to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-30551</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts.  However, your proposal that this is &quot;a battle between old fundmentalists with their Landmarkist tendencies and “younger” conservative evangelicals, many of whom have a penchant for Reformed theology&quot; has some problems.  First off, the GCR declaration was written by two guys who are very much NOT Reformed.  In fact, Hunt is boldly anti-calvinist.  Also, many of those who have signed were a key part of the Conservative Resurgence.  I&#039;m not sure it is helpful to use old battle lines as a way to identify who is for or against this document.  I think it is a bold document and lots of people are waiting to make sure they know what it is saying before deciding to sign off on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts.  However, your proposal that this is &#8220;a battle between old fundmentalists with their Landmarkist tendencies and “younger” conservative evangelicals, many of whom have a penchant for Reformed theology&#8221; has some problems.  First off, the GCR declaration was written by two guys who are very much NOT Reformed.  In fact, Hunt is boldly anti-calvinist.  Also, many of those who have signed were a key part of the Conservative Resurgence.  I&#8217;m not sure it is helpful to use old battle lines as a way to identify who is for or against this document.  I think it is a bold document and lots of people are waiting to make sure they know what it is saying before deciding to sign off on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat's Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-29350</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 21:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for Baptists carrying out the Great Commission.  I support stopping the dip in number of new believers dipped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for Baptists carrying out the Great Commission.  I support stopping the dip in number of new believers dipped.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Westmoreland-White</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-29300</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Westmoreland-White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 09:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: big daddy weave</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-29263</link>
		<dc:creator>big daddy weave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 00:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify a bit for those who I know regularly read this blog but rarely, if ever, comment:

I&#039;m enrolled in an interdisciplinary doctoral program in &quot;Religion, Politics &amp; Society.&quot;

Though I have a Poli Sci background, I consider myself more a historian (who writes religious history) than a Political Scientist or Sociologist.  Although, it is an interdisciplinary degree and I took courses from the Religion and History department this semester and next semester (my last semester of coursework!) will take courses from a Political Scientist (on the Just War Tradition), Sociologist (Peter Berger) and Historian (Thomas Kidd, former student of George Marsden).

I don&#039;t intend to limit myself just to Baptist issues.  But at the moment, my handful of publications and future publications are all Baptist-related.  Not a great deal of Baptist job opportunities out there.  So, when my doctoral work is done and the job-hunt begins, I&#039;ll be relying on my M.A. and doctoral work in the broader areas of American religion, public policy and church-state issues.

I do plan to continue writing (and hopefully publishing) on Baptist topics as a Baptist historian for the foreseeable future.  And I agree that too much focus is put on the SBC in history texts.  The SBC is not the center of the Baptist universe but historians should not ignore Southern Baptist affairs either.  And to be honest, Southern Baptists (much like Republican politicians) tend to be quite interesting because of their penchant for making controversial statements.  I am - for many reasons - fascinated by fundamentalism.  My fascination long ago ceased being &quot;personal&quot; but American evangelicalism and fundamentalism is a great academic interest of mine.  

I do plan though - as I&#039;ve done on my blog and in my research papers - to publish in the future on Baptist groups that have been largely neglected especially African-American Baptists.  My dissertation will hopefully cover the role of African-American Baptists in the Environmental Justice Movement which I will argue is an extension of the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s.  I&#039;ve already written a paper on this topic and will post it soon on this blog.


And of course, writing about Southern Baptists has not hurt my various academic pursuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify a bit for those who I know regularly read this blog but rarely, if ever, comment:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m enrolled in an interdisciplinary doctoral program in &#8220;Religion, Politics &#038; Society.&#8221;</p>
<p>Though I have a Poli Sci background, I consider myself more a historian (who writes religious history) than a Political Scientist or Sociologist.  Although, it is an interdisciplinary degree and I took courses from the Religion and History department this semester and next semester (my last semester of coursework!) will take courses from a Political Scientist (on the Just War Tradition), Sociologist (Peter Berger) and Historian (Thomas Kidd, former student of George Marsden).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t intend to limit myself just to Baptist issues.  But at the moment, my handful of publications and future publications are all Baptist-related.  Not a great deal of Baptist job opportunities out there.  So, when my doctoral work is done and the job-hunt begins, I&#8217;ll be relying on my M.A. and doctoral work in the broader areas of American religion, public policy and church-state issues.</p>
<p>I do plan to continue writing (and hopefully publishing) on Baptist topics as a Baptist historian for the foreseeable future.  And I agree that too much focus is put on the SBC in history texts.  The SBC is not the center of the Baptist universe but historians should not ignore Southern Baptist affairs either.  And to be honest, Southern Baptists (much like Republican politicians) tend to be quite interesting because of their penchant for making controversial statements.  I am &#8211; for many reasons &#8211; fascinated by fundamentalism.  My fascination long ago ceased being &#8220;personal&#8221; but American evangelicalism and fundamentalism is a great academic interest of mine.  </p>
<p>I do plan though &#8211; as I&#8217;ve done on my blog and in my research papers &#8211; to publish in the future on Baptist groups that have been largely neglected especially African-American Baptists.  My dissertation will hopefully cover the role of African-American Baptists in the Environmental Justice Movement which I will argue is an extension of the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s.  I&#8217;ve already written a paper on this topic and will post it soon on this blog.</p>
<p>And of course, writing about Southern Baptists has not hurt my various academic pursuits.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Westmoreland-White</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-29260</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Westmoreland-White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 23:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, sorry. I didn&#039;t know you were training to be a Baptist historian. I thought you were getting your Ph.D. in Church-State studies to compliment your background in poli-sci.  My mistake.

About the Alliance/CBF thing, I think we&#039;re talking about two different sets of talks, but since I am only going by memory, I could easily be wrong.

Back to the SBC: I do think that many Baptist histories still give it far too much space in relation to other Baptist groups--especially is this the case with McBeth&#039;s huge textbook--about 50% of which is focused on the SBC. (McBeth&#039;s Sourcebook is somewhat more balanced.) So, in your writings, could you do me and other non-SBC Baptists a favor and try to have a more global perspective on Baptist life than is usual? 

For example, I&#039;d like to see a sequel to Brackney&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Genetic History of Baptist Thought&lt;/i&gt; that focused on Baptist theology OUTSIDE the UK, Canada, and the U.S.  Baptists have been global since the 19th C., so it&#039;s time we pay attention to the theologians produced in these sister bodies, too, no?

Best of luck on your doctoral work, upcoming marriage, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, sorry. I didn&#8217;t know you were training to be a Baptist historian. I thought you were getting your Ph.D. in Church-State studies to compliment your background in poli-sci.  My mistake.</p>
<p>About the Alliance/CBF thing, I think we&#8217;re talking about two different sets of talks, but since I am only going by memory, I could easily be wrong.</p>
<p>Back to the SBC: I do think that many Baptist histories still give it far too much space in relation to other Baptist groups&#8211;especially is this the case with McBeth&#8217;s huge textbook&#8211;about 50% of which is focused on the SBC. (McBeth&#8217;s Sourcebook is somewhat more balanced.) So, in your writings, could you do me and other non-SBC Baptists a favor and try to have a more global perspective on Baptist life than is usual? </p>
<p>For example, I&#8217;d like to see a sequel to Brackney&#8217;s <i>Genetic History of Baptist Thought</i> that focused on Baptist theology OUTSIDE the UK, Canada, and the U.S.  Baptists have been global since the 19th C., so it&#8217;s time we pay attention to the theologians produced in these sister bodies, too, no?</p>
<p>Best of luck on your doctoral work, upcoming marriage, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Barber</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-29168</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking back at my comment, I notice an ambiguity. The rather strange &quot;He&quot; in my second paragraph was a reference to the hypothetical person who wanted more information posited in my first paragraph.

Given the title of the post, one could draw the conclusion that I was talking about Paige Patterson. But I have no idea why Dr. Patterson has not signed the GCR. I only know why I have not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking back at my comment, I notice an ambiguity. The rather strange &#8220;He&#8221; in my second paragraph was a reference to the hypothetical person who wanted more information posited in my first paragraph.</p>
<p>Given the title of the post, one could draw the conclusion that I was talking about Paige Patterson. But I have no idea why Dr. Patterson has not signed the GCR. I only know why I have not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bdw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bdw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 22:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a side note,the alliance did not refuse to merge with the Cbf.  It was the cbf that broke off merger negotiations with the alliance after both sides had come to an agreement on a Covenant. 

Sent from iPhone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a side note,the alliance did not refuse to merge with the Cbf.  It was the cbf that broke off merger negotiations with the alliance after both sides had come to an agreement on a Covenant. </p>
<p>Sent from iPhone</p>
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		<title>By: big daddy weave</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-29159</link>
		<dc:creator>big daddy weave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 21:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference here, Michael, is that I&#039;m training to be an historian - a Baptist historian - and you are not.  I write about all Baptists not merely as an interested layperson but as someone who hopes to one day to research and publish on Baptists for a living.  

Many Southern Baptists actually do read this blog.  And I enjoy my dialogue with them here and over at other Baptist blogs.  As someone who has published on Southern Baptists and is planning to write a dissertation that deals with Southern Baptists (among other types of Baptists), I think it&#039;s rather important that I stay informed.  I&#039;d say that any Baptist historian who stays intentionally uninformed on the happenings of the largest Baptist group in the world is likely not all that committed to the study of Baptist history and current Baptist life.

As my readers know, I do cover news pertaining to other Baptist groups when there is news.  

To ignore Southern Baptists in the context of my blog on all things Baptist-related would be akin to  you ignoring the Republican Party in your regular analysis of contemporary political events.  Or you ignoring the warmongerers in your peacemaking pursuits.  That would be kinda odd to say the least, huh?  However, I don&#039;t think Democrats/progressives who offer regular crititques of the GOP and the Religious Right are &quot;obsessed.&quot;  Far from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference here, Michael, is that I&#8217;m training to be an historian &#8211; a Baptist historian &#8211; and you are not.  I write about all Baptists not merely as an interested layperson but as someone who hopes to one day to research and publish on Baptists for a living.  </p>
<p>Many Southern Baptists actually do read this blog.  And I enjoy my dialogue with them here and over at other Baptist blogs.  As someone who has published on Southern Baptists and is planning to write a dissertation that deals with Southern Baptists (among other types of Baptists), I think it&#8217;s rather important that I stay informed.  I&#8217;d say that any Baptist historian who stays intentionally uninformed on the happenings of the largest Baptist group in the world is likely not all that committed to the study of Baptist history and current Baptist life.</p>
<p>As my readers know, I do cover news pertaining to other Baptist groups when there is news.  </p>
<p>To ignore Southern Baptists in the context of my blog on all things Baptist-related would be akin to  you ignoring the Republican Party in your regular analysis of contemporary political events.  Or you ignoring the warmongerers in your peacemaking pursuits.  That would be kinda odd to say the least, huh?  However, I don&#8217;t think Democrats/progressives who offer regular crititques of the GOP and the Religious Right are &#8220;obsessed.&#8221;  Far from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Westmoreland-White</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2009/05/paige-patterson-the-great-commission-resurgence.html#comment-29152</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Westmoreland-White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 19:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, BDW, for someone who is not a Southern Baptist, you spend a lot of time reporting on the SBC.  I understand that sometimes the SBC is so big that it affects other Baptists and even the rest of culture, but is that normally the case?

This is one reason why those of us in the Alliance of Baptists refused simply to merge with the CBF, though some of our churches are dually-aligned; we think many CBF types are obsessed with the SBC in a kind of unhealthy co-dependence.

Try ignoring them most of the time. It&#039;s healthier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, BDW, for someone who is not a Southern Baptist, you spend a lot of time reporting on the SBC.  I understand that sometimes the SBC is so big that it affects other Baptists and even the rest of culture, but is that normally the case?</p>
<p>This is one reason why those of us in the Alliance of Baptists refused simply to merge with the CBF, though some of our churches are dually-aligned; we think many CBF types are obsessed with the SBC in a kind of unhealthy co-dependence.</p>
<p>Try ignoring them most of the time. It&#8217;s healthier.</p>
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