Comments on: Baptist Press and Fred Shuttlesworth http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/baptist-press-and-fred-shuttlesworth.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=baptist-press-and-fred-shuttlesworth News & Commentary About All Things Baptist Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:32:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Brandon http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/baptist-press-and-fred-shuttlesworth.html#comment-2205 Brandon Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:46:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=480#comment-2205 After reading the Roach editorial that you linked to and quoted, it seems that you have taken that quote completely out of context. Roach seems to conclude the <i>opposite</i> of what you are trying to make him say. The line that you quoted is found at the beginning of his column and is obviously a rhetorical device meant to generate interest. Aren't these kinds of mischaracterizations what you are writing against? After reading the Roach editorial that you linked to and quoted, it seems that you have taken that quote completely out of context. Roach seems to conclude the opposite of what you are trying to make him say. The line that you quoted is found at the beginning of his column and is obviously a rhetorical device meant to generate interest. Aren’t these kinds of mischaracterizations what you are writing against?

]]> By: WCS http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/baptist-press-and-fred-shuttlesworth.html#comment-2201 WCS Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:01:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=480#comment-2201 We likely will disagree. My hope is for us to respond through the virtue of charity with all, including the SBC. My point is that someone like Parnham, raises the criticism that the CBF (and partner groups) are too concerned about SBC life when he reports about issues in SBC life. Depending on the number and type of issues raised, one can lose credibility (look at Roach for that example). Its not a complete disengagement I am suggesting, but to be mindful of how and what journalists and ethicists respond to.<br/><br/>Unrealted to my posts, but related to your blog topic is another note--this past week, Larry Lanford, Birmingham's mayor proposed renaming the Birmingham Airport in honor of Shuttlesworth. This move, endorsed by the city council, is a good way for Birmingham to honor the legacy of Shuttlesworth.<br/><br/>http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/121472731777930.xml&coll=2 We likely will disagree. My hope is for us to respond through the virtue of charity with all, including the SBC. My point is that someone like Parnham, raises the criticism that the CBF (and partner groups) are too concerned about SBC life when he reports about issues in SBC life. Depending on the number and type of issues raised, one can lose credibility (look at Roach for that example). Its not a complete disengagement I am suggesting, but to be mindful of how and what journalists and ethicists respond to.

Unrealted to my posts, but related to your blog topic is another note–this past week, Larry Lanford, Birmingham’s mayor proposed renaming the Birmingham Airport in honor of Shuttlesworth. This move, endorsed by the city council, is a good way for Birmingham to honor the legacy of Shuttlesworth.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/121472731777930.xml&coll=2

]]> By: tikesbestfriend http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/baptist-press-and-fred-shuttlesworth.html#comment-2199 tikesbestfriend Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:44:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=480#comment-2199 Back when Roach misrepresented the NBC, I did a little search in the BP archives. It turns out that Roach pretty much only covers two things. First, he likes to write about his favorite Fundamentalist leaders. Here's a hint, he doesn't live in TX. And secondly, he writes a lot of hit pieces against the CBF. <br/><br/>I can only guess that he realizes who pays his checks. As long as he praises the Fundys and slanders the CBF (and related groups), he gets his pay check. Otherwise, he's doing it strictly out of spite. <br/><br/>Which would be more sinful?<br/><br/>Tim Dahl Back when Roach misrepresented the NBC, I did a little search in the BP archives. It turns out that Roach pretty much only covers two things. First, he likes to write about his favorite Fundamentalist leaders. Here’s a hint, he doesn’t live in TX. And secondly, he writes a lot of hit pieces against the CBF.

I can only guess that he realizes who pays his checks. As long as he praises the Fundys and slanders the CBF (and related groups), he gets his pay check. Otherwise, he’s doing it strictly out of spite.

Which would be more sinful?

Tim Dahl

]]> By: Big Daddy Weave http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/baptist-press-and-fred-shuttlesworth.html#comment-2194 Big Daddy Weave Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:20:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=480#comment-2194 You have a rather odd take on Baptist journalism. Your take would essentially prevent Baptist ethicists and journalists like Parham from reporting ON Southern Baptists and attempting to hold ALL Baptist leaders to a higher ethical standard (note his criticism of both Hunt and Sherman in a two week period).<br/><br/>You see this as a grenade while I and others see this as a much needed response. We'll have to agree to disagree in this instance. You have a rather odd take on Baptist journalism. Your take would essentially prevent Baptist ethicists and journalists like Parham from reporting ON Southern Baptists and attempting to hold ALL Baptist leaders to a higher ethical standard (note his criticism of both Hunt and Sherman in a two week period).

You see this as a grenade while I and others see this as a much needed response. We’ll have to agree to disagree in this instance.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/baptist-press-and-fred-shuttlesworth.html#comment-2193 Anonymous Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:08:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=480#comment-2193 I agree. Good response WCS!<br/>Charles D. I agree. Good response WCS!
Charles D.

]]> By: WCS http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/baptist-press-and-fred-shuttlesworth.html#comment-2185 WCS Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:36:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=480#comment-2185 BDW,<br/><br/>I appreciate your post bringing attention to the recognition of Fred Shuttlesworth's witness throughout his life as well as bringing attention to some of the press around this. I also admit that I do find that David Roach unfortunately mischaracterizes CBF-related events, which seems to stem from the orientation by which he looks at issues of faith.<br/><br/>However, I think the example of Roach points out that those who identify with moderate Baptists need to be careful of not making similar attacks based on their religious outlook. I am especially focusing upon the articles recently published regarding Johnny Hunt's degrees from diploma mills, first issued by Robert Parnham of the Baptist Center for Ethics (a group that identifies as a CBF partner). If an article regarding Hunt came from another source not so closely identified with Baptist life it might take on a different sense. However, coming from Parnham it seems like moderates trying to throw grenades back at fundamentalists (similar to what Roach is doing in the other direction). Those of us who identify with CBF need to be more aware of what our published statements might do and find a way to look forward rather than trying to find areas to criticize Southern Baptists.<br/><br/>WCS BDW,

I appreciate your post bringing attention to the recognition of Fred Shuttlesworth’s witness throughout his life as well as bringing attention to some of the press around this. I also admit that I do find that David Roach unfortunately mischaracterizes CBF-related events, which seems to stem from the orientation by which he looks at issues of faith.

However, I think the example of Roach points out that those who identify with moderate Baptists need to be careful of not making similar attacks based on their religious outlook. I am especially focusing upon the articles recently published regarding Johnny Hunt’s degrees from diploma mills, first issued by Robert Parnham of the Baptist Center for Ethics (a group that identifies as a CBF partner). If an article regarding Hunt came from another source not so closely identified with Baptist life it might take on a different sense. However, coming from Parnham it seems like moderates trying to throw grenades back at fundamentalists (similar to what Roach is doing in the other direction). Those of us who identify with CBF need to be more aware of what our published statements might do and find a way to look forward rather than trying to find areas to criticize Southern Baptists.

WCS

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