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	<title>Comments on: Follow-Up On Recent Broadway Baptist Controversy</title>
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		<title>By: The Whited Sepulchre</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-2362</link>
		<dc:creator>The Whited Sepulchre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been an amazing comment thread, in that it still generates multiple hits per week for my site.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;D.R. and Big Daddy, I can&#039;t believe that Mr. Pinstripe&#039;s  question doesn&#039;t continue to bother you, and that you can&#039;t answer it.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1) Why do you place so much confidence in the votes of The Council of Hippo, but so little confidence in the votes of The Jesus Seminar? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) Marcus Borg doesn&#039;t believe in the Atonement theory.  He doesn&#039;t believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus.  He doesn&#039;t believe that anybody can die to save people he never met.  You guys are apparently making careers out of advocating a theology that is centered around the answer to this question....If Marcus Borg dies while holding those beliefs, is he going to Hell?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;re embarrassed by the answer you&#039;re supposed to give, aren&#039;t you.  (Hint: You should be.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been an amazing comment thread, in that it still generates multiple hits per week for my site.  </p>
<p>D.R. and Big Daddy, I can&#8217;t believe that Mr. Pinstripe&#8217;s  question doesn&#8217;t continue to bother you, and that you can&#8217;t answer it.  </p>
<p>1) Why do you place so much confidence in the votes of The Council of Hippo, but so little confidence in the votes of The Jesus Seminar? </p>
<p>2) Marcus Borg doesn&#8217;t believe in the Atonement theory.  He doesn&#8217;t believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus.  He doesn&#8217;t believe that anybody can die to save people he never met.  You guys are apparently making careers out of advocating a theology that is centered around the answer to this question&#8230;.If Marcus Borg dies while holding those beliefs, is he going to Hell?  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re embarrassed by the answer you&#8217;re supposed to give, aren&#8217;t you.  (Hint: You should be.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Whited Sepulchre</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-1908</link>
		<dc:creator>The Whited Sepulchre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Daddy....&lt;br/&gt;I meant to write Jesus &quot;Seminar&quot;, not &quot;Seminary&quot;....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fruedian slip.  Probably because of seeing Dr. Glenn Jonas in your comment field ! ! !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Daddy&#8230;.<br />I meant to write Jesus &#8220;Seminar&#8221;, not &#8220;Seminary&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Fruedian slip.  Probably because of seeing Dr. Glenn Jonas in your comment field ! ! !</p>
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		<title>By: The Whited Sepulchre</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>The Whited Sepulchre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Daddy W. and D.R. , &lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve read all the Borg I can get my hands on.  &lt;br/&gt;And yes, the people at The Jesus Seminary vote.  &lt;br/&gt;Just like scriptural canon was decided on by a ....vote. &lt;br/&gt;And Dr. Borg&#039;s views are indeed left of center (as Dr. Jonas pointed out).  This area is known as Mainstream Protestant.   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And please, please, please, answer Mr. Pinstripe&#039;s question.  If Marcus Borg dies tonight, is God going to torture him forever?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Dr. Glenn Jonas,&lt;br/&gt;Didn&#039;t I turn you on to Bruce Springsteen about 20 years ago?  At Spanish Gates Apartments in Fort Worth?  It&#039;s good to see you chiming in on this ! ! !  And do you think that if Marcus Borg dies tonight, God will torture him forever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Daddy W. and D.R. , <br />I&#8217;ve read all the Borg I can get my hands on.  <br />And yes, the people at The Jesus Seminary vote.  <br />Just like scriptural canon was decided on by a &#8230;.vote. <br />And Dr. Borg&#8217;s views are indeed left of center (as Dr. Jonas pointed out).  This area is known as Mainstream Protestant.   </p>
<p>And please, please, please, answer Mr. Pinstripe&#8217;s question.  If Marcus Borg dies tonight, is God going to torture him forever?  </p>
<p>Dr. Glenn Jonas,<br />Didn&#8217;t I turn you on to Bruce Springsteen about 20 years ago?  At Spanish Gates Apartments in Fort Worth?  It&#8217;s good to see you chiming in on this ! ! !  And do you think that if Marcus Borg dies tonight, God will torture him forever?</p>
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		<title>By: D.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-1889</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is this Elhan, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Scripture speaks clearly on the issue of the bodily resurrection of Christ and it&#039;s necessity for salvation.  Earlier you said that I &quot;you responded with a long series of quotes.&quot;  That is inaccurate.  I responded with Scripture - clear passages by the Biblical writers and apostles that note the priority of the bodily resurrection of Christ.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Did you read those passages?  Isn&#039;t it clear from the Scriptures what the Bible teaches about salvation and the bodily resurrection of Christ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;re asking me for my personal OPINION.  I am giving you Scripture that answers your question.  My OPINION doesn&#039;t matter - Scripture does.  And I have no right to an opinion - I am bound by Christ to believe His Word, not assert that which is my opinion or speculation.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, that is why I asked, what does Scripture say?  What say you?  Do you believe Scripture or do you reject it?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, I will take the last paragraph as sarcasm, since I find it difficult to have a friendship with someone who is not willing to publicly identify himself.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=matthew+21%3A23-27&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matthew 21:23-27&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is this Elhan, </p>
<p>Scripture speaks clearly on the issue of the bodily resurrection of Christ and it&#8217;s necessity for salvation.  Earlier you said that I &#8220;you responded with a long series of quotes.&#8221;  That is inaccurate.  I responded with Scripture &#8211; clear passages by the Biblical writers and apostles that note the priority of the bodily resurrection of Christ.</p>
<p>Did you read those passages?  Isn&#8217;t it clear from the Scriptures what the Bible teaches about salvation and the bodily resurrection of Christ?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re asking me for my personal OPINION.  I am giving you Scripture that answers your question.  My OPINION doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; Scripture does.  And I have no right to an opinion &#8211; I am bound by Christ to believe His Word, not assert that which is my opinion or speculation.  </p>
<p>So, that is why I asked, what does Scripture say?  What say you?  Do you believe Scripture or do you reject it?</p>
<p>Finally, I will take the last paragraph as sarcasm, since I find it difficult to have a friendship with someone who is not willing to publicly identify himself.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=matthew+21%3A23-27" REL="nofollow">Matthew 21:23-27</a></p>
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		<title>By: ElhananWinchester in Pinstripes</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-1887</link>
		<dc:creator>ElhananWinchester in Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dr, &lt;br/&gt;1.  I don&#039;t get your point.  What is your point?&lt;br/&gt;2.  I am unwilling to answer your question until you answer mine--does Borg fry or fly?  Yes or no?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You have really hurt my feelings by not answering my question.  I thought we were friends and that you had more respect for me than that.  I see what I really mean to you and that hurts.  Real bad.  I have a stomach ache now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dr, <br />1.  I don&#8217;t get your point.  What is your point?<br />2.  I am unwilling to answer your question until you answer mine&#8211;does Borg fry or fly?  Yes or no?</p>
<p>You have really hurt my feelings by not answering my question.  I thought we were friends and that you had more respect for me than that.  I see what I really mean to you and that hurts.  Real bad.  I have a stomach ache now.</p>
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		<title>By: D.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-1885</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elhan, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You are missing my point here.  And I am not uncomfortable making specific applications of my theology.  All you have to do is answer this question and you will have yours:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What do those Scriptures teach regarding the Gospel and the bodily resurrection of Christ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So are you unwilling or unable to answer this question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elhan, </p>
<p>You are missing my point here.  And I am not uncomfortable making specific applications of my theology.  All you have to do is answer this question and you will have yours:</p>
<p>What do those Scriptures teach regarding the Gospel and the bodily resurrection of Christ?</p>
<p>So are you unwilling or unable to answer this question?</p>
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		<title>By: ElhananWinchester in Pinstripes</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-1883</link>
		<dc:creator>ElhananWinchester in Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>d.r., I don&#039;t think you did answer me.  I asked a question, you responded with a long series of quotes, that ended with a question, and now you&#039;ve stated, &quot;I believe that I did answer you,&quot; followed by a question.  It seems to me that you are comfortable doing theology in broad categories, but not exploring specific applications.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So I ask you to own the implications of your theology by answering the question, &quot;Will Marcus Borg burn in hell if he dies tonight?&quot;  We know what he thinks and believes--he has stated that in his many fine books.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps that is a bit abstract since he is not dead, although I am glad to give you my answer (when I get yours--remember, I asked first)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe this is better, since it is not hypothetical--Are Martin Buber and Abraham Heschel burning in hell, at this moment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d.r., I don&#8217;t think you did answer me.  I asked a question, you responded with a long series of quotes, that ended with a question, and now you&#8217;ve stated, &#8220;I believe that I did answer you,&#8221; followed by a question.  It seems to me that you are comfortable doing theology in broad categories, but not exploring specific applications.</p>
<p>So I ask you to own the implications of your theology by answering the question, &#8220;Will Marcus Borg burn in hell if he dies tonight?&#8221;  We know what he thinks and believes&#8211;he has stated that in his many fine books.</p>
<p>Perhaps that is a bit abstract since he is not dead, although I am glad to give you my answer (when I get yours&#8211;remember, I asked first)</p>
<p>Maybe this is better, since it is not hypothetical&#8211;Are Martin Buber and Abraham Heschel burning in hell, at this moment?</p>
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		<title>By: D.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-1882</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe I answered you Elhan.  Scripture should be Borg&#039;s judge.  What do the Scriptures say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I answered you Elhan.  Scripture should be Borg&#8217;s judge.  What do the Scriptures say?</p>
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		<title>By: ElhananWinchester in Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElhananWinchester in Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really a very simple question.  Will you answer it, d.r.?  If Borg dies tonight, will he burn in hell forever and ever, since he doesn&#039;t believe in the bodily resurrection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really a very simple question.  Will you answer it, d.r.?  If Borg dies tonight, will he burn in hell forever and ever, since he doesn&#8217;t believe in the bodily resurrection.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Glenn Jonas</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/02/follow-up-on-recent-broadway-baptist-controversy.html#comment-1880</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Glenn Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post Big Daddy. Borg is indeed a member of the Jesus Seminar and his views on Jesus are left of center certainly. However, he does communicate a very interesting notion of Jesus as a &quot;spirit person&quot; and Borg does describe having a very deep, abiding Christian faith though based on a very different understanding of Jesus. I have found Borg&#039;s work very helpful and thought-provoking, although I have not read all his books. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For what it is worth, he spoke a year or two ago at Myers Park Baptist Church where Stephen Shoemaker (former pastor at Broadway) is pastor. It is also Carlyle Marney&#039;s former pulpit and has a long history in the liberal tradition of Baptists in the South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post Big Daddy. Borg is indeed a member of the Jesus Seminar and his views on Jesus are left of center certainly. However, he does communicate a very interesting notion of Jesus as a &#8220;spirit person&#8221; and Borg does describe having a very deep, abiding Christian faith though based on a very different understanding of Jesus. I have found Borg&#8217;s work very helpful and thought-provoking, although I have not read all his books. </p>
<p>For what it is worth, he spoke a year or two ago at Myers Park Baptist Church where Stephen Shoemaker (former pastor at Broadway) is pastor. It is also Carlyle Marney&#8217;s former pulpit and has a long history in the liberal tradition of Baptists in the South.</p>
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