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	<title>Comments on: The Fifth Century Initiative: Recapturing the Baptist Vision</title>
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		<title>By: Bart Barber</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2007/08/the-fifth-century-initiative-recapturing-the-baptist-vision.html#comment-1309</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BDW,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I replied over at Baptist Life, but I will offer a more concise version here. It was my intention to present, not a thorough list of the Baptist distinctives, but those that I perceive to be most in trouble and in need of rehabilitation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lee,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With regard to the &quot;embarrassing hiatus&quot; I was referring to our lapse in teaching the biblical basis for this doctrine more than to any lapse in its practice. Sometimes we continue to do something long after we&#039;ve forgotten why. With the emergence of recent monographs regarding Baptist ecclesiology, I see light at the end of that tunnel, perhaps. In &lt;i&gt;The Baptist Way,&lt;/i&gt; Stan Norman relates his experience of discovering that many Southern Baptist seminary students had never been exposed to any biblical foundation for congregational church governance. I must admit that, although my parents had me in church every time the doors were open, I never heard anyone offer a cogent biblical defense of congregational church governance until I was in Ph.D. studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BDW,</p>
<p>I replied over at Baptist Life, but I will offer a more concise version here. It was my intention to present, not a thorough list of the Baptist distinctives, but those that I perceive to be most in trouble and in need of rehabilitation.</p>
<p>Lee,</p>
<p>With regard to the &#8220;embarrassing hiatus&#8221; I was referring to our lapse in teaching the biblical basis for this doctrine more than to any lapse in its practice. Sometimes we continue to do something long after we&#8217;ve forgotten why. With the emergence of recent monographs regarding Baptist ecclesiology, I see light at the end of that tunnel, perhaps. In <i>The Baptist Way,</i> Stan Norman relates his experience of discovering that many Southern Baptist seminary students had never been exposed to any biblical foundation for congregational church governance. I must admit that, although my parents had me in church every time the doors were open, I never heard anyone offer a cogent biblical defense of congregational church governance until I was in Ph.D. studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2007/08/the-fifth-century-initiative-recapturing-the-baptist-vision.html#comment-1302</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious liberty is a tough issue for fundamentalists and conservatives to swallow because of their practices related to conservative secular politics.  A truly Baptist historical perspective doesn&#039;t support the actions or involvement that many of them have taken.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d be interested to know what constitutes his definition of the &quot;embarassing hiatus&quot; from congregational polity.  If he&#039;s alluding to the modern megachurch movement, AMEN! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Conservatives generally mean doctrinal conformity when they talk about cooperative association.  Barber pastors a church that belongs to a cooperative association that refuses to be cooperative on any except for its own terms.  That&#039;s not historically Baptist.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do find much with which to agree, depending, of course, on the definition and intention of some of the terminology.  He&#039;s right on target as far as Biblical literacy is concerned.  In the wake of the conservative resurgence in the SBC, it&#039;s interesting that the proclamation of inerrancy has not been accompanied by a renewed interest in studying the scriptures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious liberty is a tough issue for fundamentalists and conservatives to swallow because of their practices related to conservative secular politics.  A truly Baptist historical perspective doesn&#8217;t support the actions or involvement that many of them have taken.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to know what constitutes his definition of the &#8220;embarassing hiatus&#8221; from congregational polity.  If he&#8217;s alluding to the modern megachurch movement, AMEN! </p>
<p>Conservatives generally mean doctrinal conformity when they talk about cooperative association.  Barber pastors a church that belongs to a cooperative association that refuses to be cooperative on any except for its own terms.  That&#8217;s not historically Baptist.</p>
<p>I do find much with which to agree, depending, of course, on the definition and intention of some of the terminology.  He&#8217;s right on target as far as Biblical literacy is concerned.  In the wake of the conservative resurgence in the SBC, it&#8217;s interesting that the proclamation of inerrancy has not been accompanied by a renewed interest in studying the scriptures.</p>
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