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	<title>Comments on: Remembering Addie Davis and Sheri Klouda</title>
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		<title>By: Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm. I have to wonder if these same men would allow Elizabeth Elliot to speak from their pulpit. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After all, she not only taught men but she also kept her last name after remarrying. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If there is one thing I have seen it is the hypocrisy. As if Mrs. Patterson has not taught men with her many writings and speaking engagements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm. I have to wonder if these same men would allow Elizabeth Elliot to speak from their pulpit. </p>
<p>After all, she not only taught men but she also kept her last name after remarrying. </p>
<p>If there is one thing I have seen it is the hypocrisy. As if Mrs. Patterson has not taught men with her many writings and speaking engagements.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sad that an otherwise influential leader today (like Patterson) could be so out of touch with the human emergence from the ape-like attitude that men are somehow superior to women.  You go, Dr. Klouda!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sad that an otherwise influential leader today (like Patterson) could be so out of touch with the human emergence from the ape-like attitude that men are somehow superior to women.  You go, Dr. Klouda!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 06:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the egalitarian side.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Consider this.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When we pass on from this world into heaven all of these gender curses shall be lifted off men and women ... this enmity will be gone at last ... for in heaven there is no marriage relationship - no gender, nor is there work by the sweat of the brow.  We shall all stand before Christ on equal footing in heaven.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Equality...you could say is heavenly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lord, as it is in heaven, so let it be on earth.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Read Gene Edward's great book - The Christian Woman Set Free, or Frank Viola's - Who is Your Covering.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Google it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the egalitarian side.</p>
<p>Consider this.</p>
<p>When we pass on from this world into heaven all of these gender curses shall be lifted off men and women &#8230; this enmity will be gone at last &#8230; for in heaven there is no marriage relationship - no gender, nor is there work by the sweat of the brow.  We shall all stand before Christ on equal footing in heaven.</p>
<p>Equality&#8230;you could say is heavenly.</p>
<p>Lord, as it is in heaven, so let it be on earth.</p>
<p>Read Gene Edward&#8217;s great book - The Christian Woman Set Free, or Frank Viola&#8217;s - Who is Your Covering.</p>
<p>Google it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandi Chambless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandi Chambless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this comprehensive info.  I am linking you to my blog brandichambless.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this comprehensive info.  I am linking you to my blog brandichambless.blogspot.com</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 06:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just now learned that Dr. Klouda joined the staff in 2002, and Dr. Patterson assumed the presidency of the seminary in 2003. That does not mitigate the fact that promises were made and not kept, including his promise to her that her job would not be in jeopardy because of his position on women pastors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just now learned that Dr. Klouda joined the staff in 2002, and Dr. Patterson assumed the presidency of the seminary in 2003. That does not mitigate the fact that promises were made and not kept, including his promise to her that her job would not be in jeopardy because of his position on women pastors.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my last statement, I was referring in the first sentence to the fact that Dr. Klouda is on record as supporting the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message which states that women cannot Scripturally be pastors. It is puzzling too how the patriarchs believe that a woman pastor would lead men astray with false doctrine, but a woman seminary professor would not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my last statement, I was referring in the first sentence to the fact that Dr. Klouda is on record as supporting the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message which states that women cannot Scripturally be pastors. It is puzzling too how the patriarchs believe that a woman pastor would lead men astray with false doctrine, but a woman seminary professor would not.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be clear too that Dr. Klouda shares the opinion (I do not) that women should not be pastors. She was not pressing to be a pastor; she only wanted to teach Hebrew. Therein lies the strange situation of someone who was fired because of her sex despite the fact that she basically agreed with Dr. Patterson's views on women pastors. Reportedly, Dr. Patterson assured her that her teaching there would not be a problem. On the strength of that promise and tenure, she and her husband bought a house. The promise was not kept, which is puzzling. Did Dr. Patterson not realize when she was hired that she was a woman? There seems to be a problem of integrity, regardless of how you feel about women pastors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be clear too that Dr. Klouda shares the opinion (I do not) that women should not be pastors. She was not pressing to be a pastor; she only wanted to teach Hebrew. Therein lies the strange situation of someone who was fired because of her sex despite the fact that she basically agreed with Dr. Patterson&#8217;s views on women pastors. Reportedly, Dr. Patterson assured her that her teaching there would not be a problem. On the strength of that promise and tenure, she and her husband bought a house. The promise was not kept, which is puzzling. Did Dr. Patterson not realize when she was hired that she was a woman? There seems to be a problem of integrity, regardless of how you feel about women pastors.</p>
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		<title>By: D.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just recently was alerted to the situation with Sheri Klouda. So please let me offer my opinion as a conservative Southern Baptist who is a Complimentarian. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, let me say that if it is true that she was fired &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; because of her gender, then I think Patterson was wrong and should be called to account in some way (though I think it is too extreme to call for his firing, as according to Burleson's account, he did give her ample time to find another position and did pay her until that point - thus I don't think it was malicious, but rather an interpretation of a text that is too narrow and not in line with the convention).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, I think it is important not to confuse this issue with other issues that Southern Baptists are clear on.  I believe it is clear from Scripture that the ultimate human authority in a CHURCH rests in the hands of elders, which are by Scriptural description men who qualify according to Biblical standards.  The "senior pastor" should be one of those male elders.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What Baptists have said historically, including the position of Albert Mohler and Southern Seminary, is that outside of the CHURCH, it is perfectly permissible for women to teach men in Seminary, in business, and generally in life.  Most Complimentarians see no extention of the text used by Patterson applying to women teaching men outside of the CHURCH.  I would fall into that category.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Third, thus I think that bringing into the mix the issue of women pastors and the example of Molly Marshall (neither of which represents a one-to-one correlation with this unfortunate situation at Southwestern) actually misses the point of what should be discussed in the SBC, which is "where does one draw the line in Scriptural interpretation whereby the most people can cooperate within the SBC, but without violating the individual convictions of its members?"  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is clear that Southern Baptists have drawn the line at women serving as senior pastors.  That will not change, nor should it based on the historical record of Baptists.  However, this issue at Southwestern is one that should be taken up so that minority interpretations should not dominate the SBC (and I say that because while many have made much of the problems of the conservative resurgence, those involved DID represent the theological positions of the &lt;i&gt;majority&lt;/i&gt; of the SBC at that time - and history proves that in how the convention has maintained a majority of its membership, as opposed to other denominations which have moved left and lost over half of their members).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, while I can appreciate you bringing this up on your blog, I do want to point out that bringing in issues that are settled in SBC life actually misses the real problem with this situation.  That might not be true in your opinion, but certainly it is how Burleson has dealt with the issue and how Southern Baptists must deal with it as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just recently was alerted to the situation with Sheri Klouda. So please let me offer my opinion as a conservative Southern Baptist who is a Complimentarian. </p>
<p>First, let me say that if it is true that she was fired <i>only</i> because of her gender, then I think Patterson was wrong and should be called to account in some way (though I think it is too extreme to call for his firing, as according to Burleson&#8217;s account, he did give her ample time to find another position and did pay her until that point - thus I don&#8217;t think it was malicious, but rather an interpretation of a text that is too narrow and not in line with the convention).  </p>
<p>Second, I think it is important not to confuse this issue with other issues that Southern Baptists are clear on.  I believe it is clear from Scripture that the ultimate human authority in a CHURCH rests in the hands of elders, which are by Scriptural description men who qualify according to Biblical standards.  The &#8220;senior pastor&#8221; should be one of those male elders.  </p>
<p>What Baptists have said historically, including the position of Albert Mohler and Southern Seminary, is that outside of the CHURCH, it is perfectly permissible for women to teach men in Seminary, in business, and generally in life.  Most Complimentarians see no extention of the text used by Patterson applying to women teaching men outside of the CHURCH.  I would fall into that category.</p>
<p>Third, thus I think that bringing into the mix the issue of women pastors and the example of Molly Marshall (neither of which represents a one-to-one correlation with this unfortunate situation at Southwestern) actually misses the point of what should be discussed in the SBC, which is &#8220;where does one draw the line in Scriptural interpretation whereby the most people can cooperate within the SBC, but without violating the individual convictions of its members?&#8221;  </p>
<p>It is clear that Southern Baptists have drawn the line at women serving as senior pastors.  That will not change, nor should it based on the historical record of Baptists.  However, this issue at Southwestern is one that should be taken up so that minority interpretations should not dominate the SBC (and I say that because while many have made much of the problems of the conservative resurgence, those involved DID represent the theological positions of the <i>majority</i> of the SBC at that time - and history proves that in how the convention has maintained a majority of its membership, as opposed to other denominations which have moved left and lost over half of their members).</p>
<p>So, while I can appreciate you bringing this up on your blog, I do want to point out that bringing in issues that are settled in SBC life actually misses the real problem with this situation.  That might not be true in your opinion, but certainly it is how Burleson has dealt with the issue and how Southern Baptists must deal with it as well.</p>
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		<title>By: texasinafrica</title>
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		<dc:creator>texasinafrica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  Thanks be to God for the life of Addie Davis and hundreds of Baptist women who have followed her example of faithfulness in responding to God's call in their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  Thanks be to God for the life of Addie Davis and hundreds of Baptist women who have followed her example of faithfulness in responding to God&#8217;s call in their lives.</p>
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