Comments on: The Joshua Convergence http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-joshua-convergence News & Commentary About All Things Baptist Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:32:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: SWBTS Underground http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-268 SWBTS Underground Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:58:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-268 <a HREF="http://www.abpnews.com/1388.article" REL="nofollow">ABP Article</a><br/><br/>Weave,<br/><br/>Looks like we will be calling the shots as we see them.<br/><br/>Your Baptist cousin,<br/><br/>underground ABP Article

Weave,

Looks like we will be calling the shots as we see them.

Your Baptist cousin,

underground

]]> By: Tony K. http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-257 Tony K. Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:45:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-257 Sorry to post a ling but what do you guys think of this? <a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfNL5wqWk7w" REL="nofollow">A Message for "Some" Young Preachers from the Joshua Convergence!</a> This is one video “highlight” from the event. Sorry to post a ling but what do you guys think of this? A Message for “Some” Young Preachers from the Joshua Convergence! This is one video “highlight” from the event.

]]> By: D.R. http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-238 D.R. Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:45:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-238 Peter, I think its a bit of a red herring to bring up Calvinists in this discussion, especially since the majority of those who identify themselves with the Founder's Movement are against any expansion of Landmarkism or any super-Biblical IMB guidelines (though as BDW pointed out, there are some Calvinists who view the IMB guidelines differently like Nathan Finn, and the Akin brothers). But the suggestion that Calvinists need be "dethroned" is not only laughable, but completely overstated, especially when the official LifeWay report on Calvinism notes that only 10% of the convention identifies itself as holding to "5-point Calvinism". I think it is time to let the Calvinism thing rest. I hear more about it on the blogosphere than I do at church, and I attend a Reformed SBC congregation with an SBTS professor as pastor! If anything, Calvinism might be the glue that holds together the two sides, since Calvinists do not fear debate and they generally respect the Bible enough to take all opinions seriously and thus will engage dissenting views rather than just bashing them from the outside, which is exactly what we need here in the SBC.<br/><br/><br/>BDW, <br/><br/>I don't think this group constitutes any threat of an all out war and the suggestion that "War seems inevitable" is speculative at best and an extreme exageration at worst. It is clear that some infighting is happening and some conservatives think that moderates are beginning to creep back into the convention. I don't think that is the case though. What will eventually happen here is that those who lead such a movement will be marginalized (remember Frank Page did get over 50% of the vote and he wasn't the household name) and the majority will once again control the SBC, just as it did during the years of the conservative resurgence. Peter, I think its a bit of a red herring to bring up Calvinists in this discussion, especially since the majority of those who identify themselves with the Founder’s Movement are against any expansion of Landmarkism or any super-Biblical IMB guidelines (though as BDW pointed out, there are some Calvinists who view the IMB guidelines differently like Nathan Finn, and the Akin brothers). But the suggestion that Calvinists need be “dethroned” is not only laughable, but completely overstated, especially when the official LifeWay report on Calvinism notes that only 10% of the convention identifies itself as holding to “5-point Calvinism”. I think it is time to let the Calvinism thing rest. I hear more about it on the blogosphere than I do at church, and I attend a Reformed SBC congregation with an SBTS professor as pastor! If anything, Calvinism might be the glue that holds together the two sides, since Calvinists do not fear debate and they generally respect the Bible enough to take all opinions seriously and thus will engage dissenting views rather than just bashing them from the outside, which is exactly what we need here in the SBC.

BDW,

I don’t think this group constitutes any threat of an all out war and the suggestion that “War seems inevitable” is speculative at best and an extreme exageration at worst. It is clear that some infighting is happening and some conservatives think that moderates are beginning to creep back into the convention. I don’t think that is the case though. What will eventually happen here is that those who lead such a movement will be marginalized (remember Frank Page did get over 50% of the vote and he wasn’t the household name) and the majority will once again control the SBC, just as it did during the years of the conservative resurgence.

]]> By: peter lumpkins http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-235 peter lumpkins Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:16:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-235 BDW,<br/><br/>I simply do not know...But, if Calvinists are on "both sides" as you indicate, perhaps that may just be the wedge to pry their loyality apart. <br/><br/>With that, I am...<br/><br/>Peter<br/><br/>p.s. Dave, you & I must have had the same prof. for I was told virtually the same thing by my sys. theo. prof :) BDW,

I simply do not know…But, if Calvinists are on “both sides” as you indicate, perhaps that may just be the wedge to pry their loyality apart.

With that, I am…

Peter

p.s. Dave, you & I must have had the same prof. for I was told virtually the same thing by my sys. theo. prof :)

]]> By: Dr. Danny Chisholm http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-234 Dr. Danny Chisholm Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:35:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-234 Now that all the "moderates" have been exiled there is no one left to fight with except each other. There has to be an enemy to fight and a battle to win. This is textbook Fundamentalism. Now that all the “moderates” have been exiled there is no one left to fight with except each other. There has to be an enemy to fight and a battle to win. This is textbook Fundamentalism.

]]> By: Big Daddy Weave http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-233 Big Daddy Weave Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:06:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-233 Peter,<br/><br/>With Calvinists on both "sides" (so to speak), how do you foresee all that playing out if TJC is in fact the regrouping of the Conservative Resurgence?<br/><br/>TJC is obviously a response to the election of Frank Page, the McKessic situation, and the apparent growing popularity of Wade Burleson. <br/><br/>The Establishment feels threatened and seems to be sending in the boys to spread their Loyalist message.<br/><br/>War seems inevitable.<br/><br/>I just noticed that most of the info from the TJC website has been taken down except the purpose statement??? Peter,

With Calvinists on both “sides” (so to speak), how do you foresee all that playing out if TJC is in fact the regrouping of the Conservative Resurgence?

TJC is obviously a response to the election of Frank Page, the McKessic situation, and the apparent growing popularity of Wade Burleson.

The Establishment feels threatened and seems to be sending in the boys to spread their Loyalist message.

War seems inevitable.

I just noticed that most of the info from the TJC website has been taken down except the purpose statement???

]]> By: Kevin Bussey http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-232 Kevin Bussey Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:34:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-232 Great minds think alike. I ran across their site earlier and I was disturbed. Why is there always a battle? Great minds think alike. I ran across their site earlier and I was disturbed. Why is there always a battle?

]]> By: dave http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-231 dave Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:58:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-231 If it weren't so true it might be funny. <br/><br/>One of my profs at Divinity School, who was a victim of the takeover/resurgence (definintely <i>takeover</i>)told us in 2ooo that it was only a matter of time before they turned on themselves. It seems there always has to be an "enemy." <br/><br/>It appears that the "tent" of the SBC is definitely shrinking.<br/><br/>I've enjoyed reading your commentary on Baptist life. Keep it up.<br/><br/>Blessings,<br/><br/>Dave If it weren’t so true it might be funny.

One of my profs at Divinity School, who was a victim of the takeover/resurgence (definintely takeover)told us in 2ooo that it was only a matter of time before they turned on themselves. It seems there always has to be an “enemy.”

It appears that the “tent” of the SBC is definitely shrinking.

I’ve enjoyed reading your commentary on Baptist life. Keep it up.

Blessings,

Dave

]]> By: peter lumpkins http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2006/09/the-joshua-convergence.html#comment-226 peter lumpkins Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:21:00 +0000 http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/?p=84#comment-226 BigDaddyWeave,<br/><br/>I don't know...Dr. Reynolds does not strike me as a fighting fundamentalist--at least the breed with which I have dealt. <br/><br/>Do you think TJC is the regrouping of the Conservative Resurgence? If so, I am afraid they will first have to dethrone the Calvinist Resurgence who feel themselves the rightful heir of their forefather.<br/><br/>Have a great morning. With that, i am...<br/><br/>Peter BigDaddyWeave,

I don’t know…Dr. Reynolds does not strike me as a fighting fundamentalist–at least the breed with which I have dealt.

Do you think TJC is the regrouping of the Conservative Resurgence? If so, I am afraid they will first have to dethrone the Calvinist Resurgence who feel themselves the rightful heir of their forefather.

Have a great morning. With that, i am…

Peter

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